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Title: How Fired Am I?
Post by: deanwebb on July 07, 2015, 02:52:59 PM
So...

I made a comment that got passed on up the manager chain to the Director level, so I know that the CxO level doesn't officially know about the crapstorm I've caused, but, apparently, my comment about a certain virtual environment not being ideal for the NAC appliances is being taken as a challenge to the very idea of virtualization, and various factions and parties are propounding the virtues or lack thereof regarding virtualization.
:'(

On the other hand, I *am* the NAC SME...  :mrgreen: Good luck keeping the party and the project going if I'm canned.

But, back to the first hand, I always have a goal of nobody above my boss' boss level knowing that I even exist. Yes, the bigwigs talk about the need for employees to be "courageous" and "willing to rock the boat" and "question the status quo." I've studied WAY too many political purges in my day, and that's how they all start. Now that I am associated with courage, boat-rocking, and status quo questioning, I'm not certain that I'm going to have blue skies ahead.

As an informal assessment of how fired I am, with 1 being "no way, dude, you're golden" and 10 being "as soon as they find your replacement, you're on the street", how fired am I? feel free to press for more details to make your assessment.
Title: Re: How Fired Am I?
Post by: deanwebb on July 07, 2015, 03:08:53 PM
Just saw this: http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/6531927/Bank-workers-stage-mock-IS-style-execution-of-Asian-co-worker.html?CMP=spklr-_-S9SunSocial-_-TWITTER-_-TheSunNewspaper-_-20150706-_-Video-_-204505846

Those guys would be an 11 on my scale...
Title: Re: How Fired Am I?
Post by: Nerm on July 07, 2015, 03:46:19 PM
Speaking your mind is a termination level offense? I wouldn't make it there one day lol.
Title: Re: How Fired Am I?
Post by: deanwebb on July 07, 2015, 03:49:06 PM
Quote from: Nerm on July 07, 2015, 03:46:19 PM
Speaking your mind is a termination level offense? I wouldn't make it there one day lol.
No, fake execution video... or real one... would be termination level. Mind-speaking, I think, advances my token towards that part of the board, but only a few steps. I'm thinking I'm like level 2 or 3 on my scheme. With luck, I should be able to fade back into the woodwork.
Title: Re: How Fired Am I?
Post by: wintermute000 on July 07, 2015, 04:45:24 PM
Just get those vcp dumping morons to give your NAC a resource reservation... It's not rocket science . Ask for CPU and DAVG charts.

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Title: Re: How Fired Am I?
Post by: NetworkGroover on July 07, 2015, 04:51:01 PM
Quote from: deanwebb on July 07, 2015, 03:08:53 PM
Just saw this: http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/6531927/Bank-workers-stage-mock-IS-style-execution-of-Asian-co-worker.html?CMP=spklr-_-S9SunSocial-_-TWITTER-_-TheSunNewspaper-_-20150706-_-Video-_-204505846

Those guys would be an 11 on my scale...

Yes - this is in such bad taste it's unbelievable.  Those folks should watch the same unedited videos I have and maybe they'll understand why people like myself don't find ANY humor in joking around about ISIS. There are few elements in this world that I believe should be wiped from the face of the planet - and these are one of them - right up there with the Nazis.  I understand they're following what they believe, but they've killed so many innocent people in such horrible ways it's horrendous.  Maybe long after they're gone I'll expect to see some references (if there aren't already) to ISIS in Cards Against Humanity... but right now it's way too soon and way too real.
Title: Re: How Fired Am I?
Post by: Otanx on July 07, 2015, 05:10:16 PM
Knowing that you wouldn't say/email anything you can't back up with facts I would say you are at a 1. Unless you work for a company with leadership that follows the old boy network style of management, and some of those old boys are on the opposite side than you are. Then I rank it as a 10.

-Otanx
Title: Re: How Fired Am I?
Post by: killabee on July 07, 2015, 05:25:05 PM
^ What Otanx said.

I often question the way things are in our environment...so often that I think I'm either too picky on how "the perfect network" should look, too strict on the way things "should be," or not accepting enough of the status quo. 
Title: Re: How Fired Am I?
Post by: deanwebb on July 07, 2015, 05:28:02 PM
Quote from: wintermute000 on July 07, 2015, 04:45:24 PM
Just get those vcp dumping morons to give your NAC a resource reservation... It's not rocket science . Ask for CPU and DAVG charts.

Sent from my SM-G920I using Tapatalk

I have done that... had to open a Remedy ticket, even. If they should screw things up, then the wrath of the mahogany gods will fall on them, not me.
Title: Re: How Fired Am I?
Post by: Otanx on July 07, 2015, 05:53:19 PM
Quote from: killabee on July 07, 2015, 05:25:05 PM
^ What Otanx said.

I often question the way things are in our environment...so often that I think I'm either too picky on how "the perfect network" should look, too strict on the way things "should be," or not accepting enough of the status quo.

You can never be too picky. I am always telling systems/app teams that their designs are stupid, and they need to do it my way. I started out successfully getting changes about 10% of the time, but every time they don't listen, and I am proven right I get more and more backing on doing things my way. Now I am at about 75% of the time changes to the project are made to include my suggestions. Just make sure you always have facts to back up your suggestions.

-Otanx
Title: Re: How Fired Am I?
Post by: dlots on July 07, 2015, 06:01:13 PM
If it's a job worth having not fired at all
If you get fired the job sucked anyway
Title: Re: How Fired Am I?
Post by: LynK on July 08, 2015, 09:08:46 AM
I don't know... it is tough to say because every company is different.

I speak my mind every day. (profile picture). I rip and tear things apart, only to show the light on the other end of where we should be as a company. The moment people like you and I shut our mouths and don't stay anything is when the company stagnates.

I don't see a big deal.
Title: Re: How Fired Am I?
Post by: icecream-guy on July 08, 2015, 11:05:36 AM
just get your statistics and the material to prove your statement, so if someone comes asking questions you have the documentation

don't worry Dean, you'll always have your job here.

Title: Re: How Fired Am I?
Post by: AnthonyC on July 08, 2015, 11:35:20 AM
Quote from: dlots on July 07, 2015, 06:01:13 PM
If it's a job worth having not fired at all
If you get fired the job sucked anyway

+1 Sounds like a terrible place to work at.
Title: Re: How Fired Am I?
Post by: deanwebb on July 08, 2015, 01:48:48 PM
Good news! Another guy in my group had his last day yesterday. I can do like it says in my signature and come back to work the very next day, and they'll be happy to have me.
Title: Re: How Fired Am I?
Post by: dlots on July 09, 2015, 06:17:49 AM
Cool
It's time to loot the storage closet and make your home lab much better :-)
Title: Re: How Fired Am I?
Post by: wintermute000 on July 09, 2015, 06:56:20 AM
If you really know as much ISE as you claim ;) then you should have no issues finding work in that arena. Its red hot ATM and you get to drink the trustsec koolaid. Bone up on your wireless integration FTW. We have a guy here who's pretty much spent the last year doing nothing but ISE, cisco WLC and trustsec deployments.
But yeah technical security administration is usually thankless IMO, even driving firewalls (as an admin, happy to ride in on the contractor train and bail before the real problems occur lol).
Title: Re: How Fired Am I?
Post by: deanwebb on July 09, 2015, 07:14:10 AM
I had some very good advice from my boss' boss: build up a network among my stakeholders. If I know people in different groups and have good communications with them, I can get information from them faster and when stuff hits the fan, they'll help me clean up the fan blades instead of complaining about the smell. I won't get 100% of my stakeholders to happily join in, but if I can get good numbers, that helps when things come down to a vote, like when *their* bosses make decisions in meetings based on what those engineers say.

I immediately started to build my network and found the AD issue that was causing the wireless NAC problem. Getting some attaboys now, so firing level now reduced to 1.
:awesome:
Title: Re: How Fired Am I?
Post by: icecream-guy on July 09, 2015, 11:19:45 AM
Quote from: deanwebb on July 09, 2015, 07:14:10 AM
I had some very good advice from my boss' boss: build up a network among my stakeholders. If I know people in different groups and have good communications with them, I can get information from them faster and when stuff hits the fan, they'll help me clean up the fan blades instead of complaining about the smell. I won't get 100% of my stakeholders to happily join in, but if I can get good numbers, that helps when things come down to a vote, like when *their* bosses make decisions in meetings based on what those engineers say.


I think that's called networking ???
Title: Re: How Fired Am I?
Post by: wintermute000 on July 10, 2015, 06:52:12 AM
you must have it bad. In my experiences, due to the 80/20 rule (20% of the people do 80% of the work) in most large orgs, the 20% know each other well and its always the informal back-channel network that gets the triages rolling the fastest. I always know the two or three SAN / wintel / vmware / unix guys I'd call first and know they would take me seriously and vice versa.
Title: Re: How Fired Am I?
Post by: icecream-guy on July 10, 2015, 07:33:34 AM
one of our most recent deletions, coworker offered to help another group with something not networking related. soon found out he was in too deep and sent an email to the people, that he wasn't going to work in the project anymore. People whom he didn't understand who they were (higher-ups) were on the email distro, he and got his badge confiscated and was escorted off premises by security for failing to do his job.

lessons learned.
1. know who you are sending email to
2. do not offer to help with tasks outside your job scope.
(we had a team meeting and this was hammered into our skulls)
Title: Re: How Fired Am I?
Post by: deanwebb on July 10, 2015, 08:28:18 AM
Wintermute: this company is very large and for some towers, 100% of the staff are in Europe, so it's very difficult to develop that collegiate, lean-over-the-cube relationship. I'm working on it, though.
Title: Re: How Fired Am I?
Post by: deanwebb on July 10, 2015, 09:58:16 AM
Looks like I made some good headway at developing that transatlantic collegiate relationship:

"Holy shit guys, this is the best contact from the Connectivity tower I've ever gotten." <- Manager to his team, just now. Yeah, that's right. He's talking about me.

:badass:
Title: Re: How Fired Am I?
Post by: hizzo3 on July 13, 2015, 09:59:28 PM
:clap: to boldly say that a corporate buzz word concept is bad for something... That takes balls. Glad it worked out for you Dean.